I think that scene would really benefit from a Warhol figure. Many of us were involved in the edgy downtown NYC scene pre Dimes Square, Red Scare, Yarvin, etc. The music was more like neofolk, noise, experimental, and industrial. A lot of this was inspired by the no wave scene with bands like Lydia Lunch and Sonic Youth. It was all very “cool” and while it wasn’t reactionary it was definitely not woke.
Petty gossip and media pieces don’t grow a scene. You need actual artists, devoted musicians, and performers who are ready to unleash it all. If Dimes Square gets a Warhol, that kind of thing will be possible, and we will be looking at a true vibe shift that influences future generations and not just an insular scene.
spot on. it’s so funny reading dimes square people prattle on about concepts like “scenius” when social lives do not a scene make. you need something bigger than self-glorifying zines and post-ironic DJ sets if you want people outside of your zip code to care, let alone remember it in a few years. it’s telling that the few feeble attempts at art to come out of the entire farce are just vapid commentaries on those same vapid social lives (like the dimes square play), because that’s really all there is to it. scenes do need their chloe sevignys, but we’re two or three years into dimes’ moment and chloe sevignys are all it has to show for itself. at some point these people need to start making films and albums that stand on their own and it goes without saying these bored rich kids just don’t have it in them
i liked your piece and criticism of the institution that is andy warhols legacy (the bourgeoisie manipulating the cultural signifiers backed by seemingly endless money) it just spits out the same status quo without really challenging it just pushing up the
whoops ... reactionary tendencies as it plays on the exaggerations of stereo types to the nth degree it’s basically cheap parody like the scary movie bs) it’s so annoying when the try to build this identity based on the rejection of the status quo without even challenging it just taking cheap shops at marginalized people “from a good heart” so they think it’s okay to continue going on without questioning their own place in the machine they so desperately want to oppose as they seek to benefit from every little way they play on the real anger and continue to redirect it into passive nihilistic detachment instead of some sort of critical analysis that can still be funny and irony poisoned doomer shit without being a complete embrace of epicurean ideology without thinking about the little pieces we are in a collective machine that need to find ways to communicate and educate the population on ways we might actually be able to see change or what we would hope for in a different world blah blah blah sorry for long comment i’m high hehe
Mike: "The 'downtown scene' of today relates to the downtown scene of the 70s and 80s like colonists wearing the ornamental garb of the indigenous peoples they conquered generations ago. Saint Andy held the illusion together—through him all us New York artist-socialites could partake in the sacred rituals of Lou Reed or Jean-Michel Basquiat or Keith Haring or whoever, just like how the ministry of the Catholic Church is derived from the apostles through a continuous succession. And now what’s left? A lot of vacant real estate bought up by absent Chinese billionaires, the Thiel and Yarvin parties, NFTs, young professional banality, Gasda’s theater, a few cramped bars at Dimes Square, fashion zines that talk about Spengler, fentanyl bumps, hundreds of failed autofictions, and the slow collapse of all our youthful pre-political dreams into endless apocalypse."
he’s a lucid and effective writer when doing straightforward criticism/reportage, but this was embarrassing overreach. ditto the self-centering personal essay about vibe. he’s the town bard of a social scene that doesn’t matter now and will be forgotten altogether by mid-decade, so the stakes are admittedly low either way…but it’s still a mistake to be wasting his talent and moment on all this sophomoric garbage lately
final word: apocalypse. This is complicated word. especially modified with penultimate word: endless. "endless apocalypse." Chew on that. Chew on that. Chew on that.
Is that right? If so, what to do?
If not, what is happening right now? Apocalypse, almost certainly. But endless? And what does this word "apocalypse" really mean? Why are the eschatological books of the bible (chronicles of apocalypse) called "revelation" ?? Whats the etymology of that word "apocalypse" anyway?
Apocalypse: good or bad?
Endless apocalypse: possible? Apocalypse, as a *revealing* is about moments. moments are distinguished by their finitude. Endless apocalypse: possible?
What is the relationship between chronicling and revealing? And what is it that you are up to, chronicler?
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I think that scene would really benefit from a Warhol figure. Many of us were involved in the edgy downtown NYC scene pre Dimes Square, Red Scare, Yarvin, etc. The music was more like neofolk, noise, experimental, and industrial. A lot of this was inspired by the no wave scene with bands like Lydia Lunch and Sonic Youth. It was all very “cool” and while it wasn’t reactionary it was definitely not woke.
Petty gossip and media pieces don’t grow a scene. You need actual artists, devoted musicians, and performers who are ready to unleash it all. If Dimes Square gets a Warhol, that kind of thing will be possible, and we will be looking at a true vibe shift that influences future generations and not just an insular scene.
spot on. it’s so funny reading dimes square people prattle on about concepts like “scenius” when social lives do not a scene make. you need something bigger than self-glorifying zines and post-ironic DJ sets if you want people outside of your zip code to care, let alone remember it in a few years. it’s telling that the few feeble attempts at art to come out of the entire farce are just vapid commentaries on those same vapid social lives (like the dimes square play), because that’s really all there is to it. scenes do need their chloe sevignys, but we’re two or three years into dimes’ moment and chloe sevignys are all it has to show for itself. at some point these people need to start making films and albums that stand on their own and it goes without saying these bored rich kids just don’t have it in them
i liked your piece and criticism of the institution that is andy warhols legacy (the bourgeoisie manipulating the cultural signifiers backed by seemingly endless money) it just spits out the same status quo without really challenging it just pushing up the
whoops ... reactionary tendencies as it plays on the exaggerations of stereo types to the nth degree it’s basically cheap parody like the scary movie bs) it’s so annoying when the try to build this identity based on the rejection of the status quo without even challenging it just taking cheap shops at marginalized people “from a good heart” so they think it’s okay to continue going on without questioning their own place in the machine they so desperately want to oppose as they seek to benefit from every little way they play on the real anger and continue to redirect it into passive nihilistic detachment instead of some sort of critical analysis that can still be funny and irony poisoned doomer shit without being a complete embrace of epicurean ideology without thinking about the little pieces we are in a collective machine that need to find ways to communicate and educate the population on ways we might actually be able to see change or what we would hope for in a different world blah blah blah sorry for long comment i’m high hehe
Valerie Solanas was a better artist than Andy Warhol ever was. It's really unforgivable how he went to her studio and shot her on June 3, 1968.
McCrumps, I too watched Under the Silver Lake.
Mike: "The 'downtown scene' of today relates to the downtown scene of the 70s and 80s like colonists wearing the ornamental garb of the indigenous peoples they conquered generations ago. Saint Andy held the illusion together—through him all us New York artist-socialites could partake in the sacred rituals of Lou Reed or Jean-Michel Basquiat or Keith Haring or whoever, just like how the ministry of the Catholic Church is derived from the apostles through a continuous succession. And now what’s left? A lot of vacant real estate bought up by absent Chinese billionaires, the Thiel and Yarvin parties, NFTs, young professional banality, Gasda’s theater, a few cramped bars at Dimes Square, fashion zines that talk about Spengler, fentanyl bumps, hundreds of failed autofictions, and the slow collapse of all our youthful pre-political dreams into endless apocalypse."
Me: "Damn, sounds great."
Lead us, O Saint Andy, from the sight of the lovely things of the world
To the thought of thee their Creator;
And grant that delighting in the beautiful things of thy creation,
we may delight in thee, the first author of beauty.
I like the door fictionalising real world media and events opens up for your subjective expression about / representation of things, excited for more
this was unreadable. i’m sorry but you need to be told you just don’t have the range to be doing this type of thing
I disagree!
he’s a lucid and effective writer when doing straightforward criticism/reportage, but this was embarrassing overreach. ditto the self-centering personal essay about vibe. he’s the town bard of a social scene that doesn’t matter now and will be forgotten altogether by mid-decade, so the stakes are admittedly low either way…but it’s still a mistake to be wasting his talent and moment on all this sophomoric garbage lately
final word: apocalypse. This is complicated word. especially modified with penultimate word: endless. "endless apocalypse." Chew on that. Chew on that. Chew on that.
Is that right? If so, what to do?
If not, what is happening right now? Apocalypse, almost certainly. But endless? And what does this word "apocalypse" really mean? Why are the eschatological books of the bible (chronicles of apocalypse) called "revelation" ?? Whats the etymology of that word "apocalypse" anyway?
Apocalypse: good or bad?
Endless apocalypse: possible? Apocalypse, as a *revealing* is about moments. moments are distinguished by their finitude. Endless apocalypse: possible?
What is the relationship between chronicling and revealing? And what is it that you are up to, chronicler?
Was this the experimental piece you were teasing? This shit rocks.